Comments on: 5. Mormon Doctrines of Salvation http://mormonbeliefs.org An Overview on Fundamental Mormon Beliefs Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:15:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gale http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1785 Gale Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:27:04 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1785 Acts 15:32: And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. In Acts 21:10, the prophet Agabus prophesies that Paul would be taken by the Gentiles. In Ephesians 4:11, 12, it says: And he agave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: So we know that Christ called prophets in New Testament times, after His crucifixion and resurrection, and at the same time there were apostles. These men received direct revelation from Christ to guide the churches. Don't we still need prophets and revelation? I for one am so grateful that we do have those things, and that we are not shut off in these modern times of need. Acts 15:32: And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

In Acts 21:10, the prophet Agabus prophesies that Paul would be taken by the Gentiles.

In Ephesians 4:11, 12, it says: And he agave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

So we know that Christ called prophets in New Testament times, after His crucifixion and resurrection, and at the same time there were apostles. These men received direct revelation from Christ to guide the churches. Don’t we still need prophets and revelation? I for one am so grateful that we do have those things, and that we are not shut off in these modern times of need.

]]> By: Jake http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1784 Jake Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:47:07 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1784 All throughout the Bible God promises to preserve His word. He says that heaven and earth will pass away but His words never will. Could the sovereign God of the universe not do this? Did He change His mind or His power and plans become thwarted by mere men? Also, in Hebrews 1 it states that God spoke to us in times past through prophets but has spoken to us in these last days by His Son. So why would the LDS claim their is a living prophet other than Christ? John 16:13 also states that the apostles at that time would be lead into all truth by the Holy Ghost. If all means complete than than there would be no further revelation. How do you answer these questions? All throughout the Bible God promises to preserve His word. He says that heaven and earth will pass away but His words never will. Could the sovereign God of the universe not do this? Did He change His mind or His power and plans become thwarted by mere men?

Also, in Hebrews 1 it states that God spoke to us in times past through prophets but has spoken to us in these last days by His Son. So why would the LDS claim their is a living prophet other than Christ? John 16:13 also states that the apostles at that time would be lead into all truth by the Holy Ghost. If all means complete than than there would be no further revelation.

How do you answer these questions?

]]> By: Gale http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1783 Gale Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:01:55 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1783 Resurrection, salvation, and exaltation are three different things, Vergel. Resurrection is a free gift to all, a gift that derives from the atonement of Christ. Salvation has several meanings, including being saved from the transgression of Adam, so we are accountable only for our own sins; salvation from the grave, which Christ overcame; and salvation to a kingdom in heaven, which will come to all except those who commit the "sin against the Holy Ghost." The sin against the Holy Ghost is to gain a perfect witness that Jesus is the Christ and then to deny Him, thus crucifying Him anew. Those who commit the sin against the Holy Ghost receive no place in heaven, since they are Sons of Perdition. The prophet Joseph Smith had a vision of the three degrees of glory in heaven, mentioned by Paul -- the Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial kingdoms. You can read it at the following link: http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng. He saw that God dwells in the highest mansions of the Celestial kingdom, where the most righteous dwell with him. The Terrestrial kingdom receives the ministration of the Celestial realm. The Telestial receives the ministration of Christ's messengers from the Terrestrial kingdom. Now, Joseph saw that the lowest kingdom, the Telestial, is glorious beyond description, but the inhabitants have to wait until the last resurrection to be resurrected (which occurs after the millennium), and since they rejected the atonement, have to suffer for their own sins before resurrection: "These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial;" So, once these people take their place in the lowest kingdom of heaven, they are eternally separated from God. Thanks for your comment. Resurrection, salvation, and exaltation are three different things, Vergel. Resurrection is a free gift to all, a gift that derives from the atonement of Christ. Salvation has several meanings, including being saved from the transgression of Adam, so we are accountable only for our own sins; salvation from the grave, which Christ overcame; and salvation to a kingdom in heaven, which will come to all except those who commit the “sin against the Holy Ghost.” The sin against the Holy Ghost is to gain a perfect witness that Jesus is the Christ and then to deny Him, thus crucifying Him anew. Those who commit the sin against the Holy Ghost receive no place in heaven, since they are Sons of Perdition.

The prophet Joseph Smith had a vision of the three degrees of glory in heaven, mentioned by Paul — the Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial kingdoms. You can read it at the following link: http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng.

He saw that God dwells in the highest mansions of the Celestial kingdom, where the most righteous dwell with him. The Terrestrial kingdom receives the ministration of the Celestial realm. The Telestial receives the ministration of Christ’s messengers from the Terrestrial kingdom.

Now, Joseph saw that the lowest kingdom, the Telestial, is glorious beyond description, but the inhabitants have to wait until the last resurrection to be resurrected (which occurs after the millennium), and since they rejected the atonement, have to suffer for their own sins before resurrection:

“These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial;”

So, once these people take their place in the lowest kingdom of heaven, they are eternally separated from God.

Thanks for your comment.

]]> By: Vergel http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1782 Vergel Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:26:00 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1782 Does LDS teaches about Hell? you just mention on that righteous and the wicked, will be resurrected and live forever, but in the book Matthew 25: 33-41 that the righteous will inherit the kingdom of God and the wicked will go Hell which eternal separation from the God and it was also mention in Revelation 21:8 and can you give me verses in the Bible that support your view that All people will inherit the kingdom of God. What is the Gospel? Thank You Does LDS teaches about Hell? you just mention on that righteous and the wicked, will be resurrected and live forever, but in the book Matthew 25: 33-41 that the righteous will inherit the kingdom of God and the wicked will go Hell which eternal separation from the God and it was also mention in Revelation 21:8 and can you give me verses in the Bible that support your view that All people will inherit the kingdom of God. What is the Gospel?

Thank You

]]> By: Gale http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1781 Gale Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:35:03 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1781 Yes, Mormons believe that Jesus is God, but God the Father is His Father in every sense. God created everything spiritually before they were created physically, including you and me. There was a war in heaven, remember? And that war pre-existed this earth. Christ was the firstborn spiritually of the Father, and through Christ, all the worlds were created. You, and I, and Lucifer were all spirit-children of God before the earth was created. Lucifer rebelled, and with his followers was cast out and became Satan. Then, are Satan and Christ brothers? You decide. Christ took upon Himself the wrath of God, or punishment for our sins, that we might not have to suffer, if we would only repent and come unto Him. No one fully comprehends how He did this; He is the only one who could do it, being God. All, the righteous and the wicked, will be resurrected and live forever. This part of salvation, the triumph over death, is free and is part of the gift of Christ's atonement. All but those who have a perfect witness of Christ and then deny Him (called sinning against the Holy Ghost) will inherit a place in heaven, and this is another aspect of salvation. Exaltation to the highest realm of heaven requires belief on Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by authority, and enduring to the end in righteousness. Yes, Mormons believe that Jesus is God, but God the Father is His Father in every sense. God created everything spiritually before they were created physically, including you and me. There was a war in heaven, remember? And that war pre-existed this earth. Christ was the firstborn spiritually of the Father, and through Christ, all the worlds were created. You, and I, and Lucifer were all spirit-children of God before the earth was created. Lucifer rebelled, and with his followers was cast out and became Satan. Then, are Satan and Christ brothers? You decide.

Christ took upon Himself the wrath of God, or punishment for our sins, that we might not have to suffer, if we would only repent and come unto Him. No one fully comprehends how He did this; He is the only one who could do it, being God.

All, the righteous and the wicked, will be resurrected and live forever. This part of salvation, the triumph over death, is free and is part of the gift of Christ’s atonement. All but those who have a perfect witness of Christ and then deny Him (called sinning against the Holy Ghost) will inherit a place in heaven, and this is another aspect of salvation. Exaltation to the highest realm of heaven requires belief on Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by authority, and enduring to the end in righteousness.

]]> By: Jke http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1780 Jke Sun, 10 Jul 2011 04:18:33 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1780 1. Do the LDS believe that Jesus is God, Very God. The Eternal God, the Almighty, the Everlasting Father? I've heard that they believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers? Is that true? Created beings by the Father? 2. How did Christ atone for my sins? 3. What must I do to be saved? 1. Do the LDS believe that Jesus is God, Very God. The Eternal God, the Almighty, the Everlasting Father? I’ve heard that they believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers? Is that true? Created beings by the Father?
2. How did Christ atone for my sins?
3. What must I do to be saved?

]]> By: fail video http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1778 fail video Sun, 29 May 2011 05:03:54 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1778 excellent work excellent work

]]> By: Gale http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1777 Gale Thu, 12 May 2011 16:25:06 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1777 Yes, Jesus died for our sins. Jesus Christ was the Son of God and had the power to lay down His life and take it up again. That Mary was His mother gave Him the power to suffer and die. He was human while on the earth, but with more physical and spiritual power than any other human who has ever lived, because He inherited the power of God from His Father in heaven. No one was able to take His life; He freely gave it for us. Yes, Jesus died for our sins. Jesus Christ was the Son of God and had the power to lay down His life and take it up again. That Mary was His mother gave Him the power to suffer and die. He was human while on the earth, but with more physical and spiritual power than any other human who has ever lived, because He inherited the power of God from His Father in heaven. No one was able to take His life; He freely gave it for us.

]]> By: Zak http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1776 Zak Thu, 12 May 2011 08:14:46 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1776 so did jesus die for ur sins? as God or human? so did jesus die for ur sins? as God or human?

]]> By: Gale http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-doctrine-salvation#comment-1775 Gale Tue, 10 May 2011 00:22:51 +0000 http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/?page_id=484#comment-1775 No one expects to take God's place. We believe in the Bible, where it says that we can become co-heirs with Christ. The entire mission of God's "plan of salvation" is to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." "Eternal life" is the kind of life God Himself enjoys, in the highest kingdom of heaven. If we become co-heirs with Christ, what, then do we inherit? The Lord has spoken of kingdoms and mansions in heaven, but He also has attributes to share. We hope to become more like Him in our ability to comprehend His creations, and in our ability to become good and just. We also hope to be with our loved ones for eternity. The doctrine of becoming like God is called theosis, and it was a doctrine understood by early leaders of the Christian Church. No one expects to take God’s place. We believe in the Bible, where it says that we can become co-heirs with Christ. The entire mission of God’s “plan of salvation” is to “bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.” “Eternal life” is the kind of life God Himself enjoys, in the highest kingdom of heaven. If we become co-heirs with Christ, what, then do we inherit? The Lord has spoken of kingdoms and mansions in heaven, but He also has attributes to share. We hope to become more like Him in our ability to comprehend His creations, and in our ability to become good and just. We also hope to be with our loved ones for eternity. The doctrine of becoming like God is called theosis, and it was a doctrine understood by early leaders of the Christian Church.

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